I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. And others opinions dont factor in. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. I found him quite annoying, myself. I really liked her in the first season. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. 108 comments so far. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. ..I have a total girl crush. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Youre saying she isnt believeable because she sounds like she has a 21st century *accent*? Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Where I live people compete on the merits. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. Just blows my mind. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Great interview, Dawn. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Thats not a leader. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Book is Han Solo. Sonequa is a great actress. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. That promise was. It inspired her to switch careers. Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. And I felt that was ridiculous. Let it die. To me, at least. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. None of us are and its okay. Shes loved. The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Good for her, and I love the character! Theyre losers, pure and simple. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Makes sense. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Episodes will be. Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. I did, though. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Have to disagree. Thats kind of what I was playing with. Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. No probably not. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. Youre perfect as you are. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Mary Wiseman Net Worth The net worth of Mary Wiseman has been estimated at $1 million. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Everyone has their gifts. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. Hopefully its . Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. I think you are talking jibberish. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. Gotta side with Sascha here. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. Yes! Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Too nervous and anxious. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Nibiru? She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. So I was also just very excited for the fans. I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. The U.S.S. Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! Tilly is not a perfect officer. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Please back up your statement. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. I agree! Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Its gotten very stale now. Im a human being, you know? I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. By being visible on your TV screen? Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Maybe sociological issues? They just didnt do much with him. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. David Ajala: Yeah. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. :). But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life.
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